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Do you have to turn off your
brain in order to accept

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Christianity?
That’s something our guest John

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Zachary has heard often.
Growing up, he recognized God

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had given him a gift for
intellectual study and a desire

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to learn, and he would read
through not just biblical things

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but encyclopedias, trying to
understand this world and trying

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to understand God.
And the older he got, the more

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he realized he could not fully
capture who God is.

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So God invited him to embrace
uncertainty.

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To release the desire to.
Control his understanding.

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But then something interesting
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God didn’t tell him to turn off
his brain, but to understand

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what he was truly trying to do
and who he was truly trying to

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discover.
And so his brain remained on.

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And what he found is God
inviting him to create a book

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using science and math to
explore the events of scripture

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with Spirit LED intellect.
And that’s what we end up

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talking about in this
conversation, the idea of spirit

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LED intellect.
Put another way, God has given

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us brains.
So how can we use our brains in

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a way that honors and seeks him
in healthy ways?

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You’re listening to episode 239
of the Where Did You See God

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podcast.
Father God, I just want to thank

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you that you are God and you are
good and for the ways that you

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invite folks like John and I to
connect with you through

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conversation.
And so I thank you for bringing

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this together, for bringing us
together.

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And we thank you in advance for
whatever it is you want to do.

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And so, Holy Spirit, we invite
you to move guide our questions,

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our responses.
Our.

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Thoughts guide this space so
that we can see the immeasurably

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more that you can do beyond what
we are asking or imagining.

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So we give ourselves to you, and
we thank you in advance.

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Let’s pray in this holy precious
name.

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Amen.
Amen.

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Well, John, you and I have
already gotten to talk a little

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bit and I’m already excited for
where this conversation can go.

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But before we start, what would
you want people to know about

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who you are?
Well, I refer to myself as a

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spirit filled evangelical
Christian.

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You know, I’m kind of like
guided by the Holy Spirit day by

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day.
I write Christian literature.

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I do mission work in Africa.
I’m starting to do it here in

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the US and to promote the book
The Science Behind the Story of

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Jesus.
Today I got a call from a

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bookstore in London wanting to
display the book Taken by

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Surprise.
So I’m trying to pick myself up

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off the floor because I didn’t
want any money.

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It’s very difficult to do that,
but that’s definitely a door

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that the Holy Spirit would open,
not me.

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Yeah, that’s for sure.
Oh man.

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That’s amazing.
That’s exciting.

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Yeah.
And you know the the title of

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that leads me into where my
mind’s been going since we’ve

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been talking.
The science of what was it

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called again?
The Science.

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Of the science behind the story
of Jesus, because I have the

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Bible, the story of Jesus and
you say can this really be real

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and stuff?
It started out with curiosity.

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Actually.
The 70 weeks prophecy is time

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oriented and the thought, the
curious thought is this, if I

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scientifically date when those
events were foretold, the date

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they actually happened on
precisely using science.

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I mean the lunar eclipses, solar
eclipses, all that stuff, NASA

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data, Babylonian archaeological
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What will we discover?
And I didn’t know.

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That’s my curious thought.
So I do that and out pops

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control of human events and it’s
it’s a kind of book that wait,

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it’ll increase your faith to the
rough put it that way.

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And I’ve had people say I
thought you had to lose your

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mind to have faith.
This is the inverse.

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And actually it validates the
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And that’s my calling pretty
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It’s an evangelism tool.
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It’s kind of like a using your
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I don’t, I don’t force it.
And we just pray and we teach,

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you know, evangelism and we ask
people, well, do you have any

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kind of spiritual beliefs?
Shut our mouths and listen.

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That’s it.
And then if they’re not

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interested, we’re done.
But if they open up, then we

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listen and we’re praying for
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And let’s say they and say,
yeah, well, I’m a Muslim or a

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Pagan or a witch or whatever
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Then the second question you
just ask, well, what you

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believe?
Let’s say you’re a witch.

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If what you believe is a witch
wasn’t really true and I can

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prove it, would you want to
know?

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Shut up again.
And they say, yeah, I’d want to

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know.
Then you show them a video.

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That’s all we did.
We get thousands upon thousands

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of converts.
So it’s like my life and my work

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is all about evangelism of non
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That’s kind of like the
foundation of everything.

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So that’s kind of my calling.
Not to talk about the book, but

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there’s a lot going on behind
the scenes that you don’t see.

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Well, and what’s intriguing to
me is what you said.

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Somebody might think in order to
be a Christian I have to lose my

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mind.
You’ve got this book that is

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bringing both science and Jesus
to the table, which some people

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think are incompatible.
The idea of science or thinking

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does not mesh with faith.
And when we connected through

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Pod match, one thing that really
intrigued me is you personally

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have gone on this journey where
God has given you a mind that

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loves to learn and explore and
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And you wanted to use that mind
to find God, to discover God, to

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understand God.
And then you hit a wall where

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you felt like the invitation was
to not chase after certainty,

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but then when you embrace that,
you found God inviting you back

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to utilize this brain that He’s
given you, not just in your own

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faith, but in the faith journeys
of others.

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So tell me a little bit more
about that journey of coming to

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understand what God’s invited us
to with these brains that He’s

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given us.
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I wanted to know, you know, why
should I believe this and what?

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And if you read the book and
know why you believe it was Paul

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Little that was written over 50
years ago that really got my

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attention.
And it laid a foundation for the

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intellect.
Know what you believe.

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Know what you believe was like
theology.

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And that was written from a
Calminian.

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Not Calminian.
Yeah, Calvinist.

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I’m a Calminian.
A Calvinist’s point of view.

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Well, a Calminian is just faith
without works is dead.

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That’s it.
That’s all you need to know.

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And so I was always into
reading.

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I mean, when I was in second
grade, you’ve seen the 10 volume

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Bible stories books.
I read all those when I was in

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second grade.
And then I read encyclopedias

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for entertainment because we
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I’m talking in the early 60s.
I’m kind of old, but I was

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always reading in.
God gave me a very good memory.

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The knowledge then getting to
ask that question probably came

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from another.
OK, I was born again when I was

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like 12 years old, something
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And by 14, I failed this call to
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So I planned on that.
What I did was I lived in Israel

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for about 1/2 a year.
So I lived in a couple of hours.

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I come back and I go and I’m
studying to be a pastor and it

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was in Killeen, TX.
I was going to preach a sermon

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on the second coming of Christ
before I got up.

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Some ladies got up in those
days, this was like 1973, and

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you would sing special music and
then the guy would get up and

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speak.
Well, they was singing this

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song.
I wish we’d all been ready.

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I didn’t tell him I was
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or anything.
They went one line into that

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song and suddenly I heard
rustling above my head and then

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I heard the word anoint and
suddenly a ball of power, like 8

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to 10 inches came down on my
head and it went like about 2-3

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inches per second down into my
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Will freak me out ’cause I
wasn’t used to that caught my

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attention.
Well, that sermon I priest and

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the response was great.
Probably 30% of the people came

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forward to pray and then I
studied that sermon.

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So that was my intellectual and
then I got up to thinking, you

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know the curiosity question, if
we scientifically date these

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predicted events, what will we
learn?

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And you learn a lot.
So that’s how I got into it from

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that spiritual experience.
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that cause what went on with
that sermon related to the 70

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weeks, how they didn’t preach
about it, but I was preaching on

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the Gospel of Luke, chapter 21,
the Olivet Discourse.

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And you find hidden in there
these time sequences, you don’t

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know that until you do in depth
study, but that’s kind of like

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it validates how your mind and
faith go together.

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It’s your whole being, not just
your heart, but you get your

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mind into it.
They validate one another,

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pretty much.
That’s it.

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What would you say is one of the
challenges or limitations in how

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we can use our minds?
If you were to go to a

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university today and the
professors are saying if you

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don’t believe what I’m teaching
you, I’m going to give you an F.

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That happened to my older
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A lot of the things being taught
in universities are based on

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invalid assumptions about God.
Let’s say you’re an atheist

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professor and you believe
everything just happened by

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chance and that the Bible is
erroneous and totally wrong.

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But well, the problem is it’s
all based on pseudoscience.

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Say atheism is pseudoscience.
You claim that science validates

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your worldview.
The problem is, this chance

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universe requires the
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Have you ever seen even one
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The answer is no, it doesn’t
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There’s no evidence, So it’s
pseudoscience.

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And then you’re building your
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Now they admit that it’s not
real science, but they do it

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anyway.
So, you know, if you investigate

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what’s being taught and what’s
in the Bible, if you read my

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book, you’re going to say wow,
’cause we had a guy read the

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book and he says, I thought you
had to turn your mind off to

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have faith.
And the inverse of that is what

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he found.
That can happen.

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Now, let’s say you’re a non
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at a university.
Then you make, well, this guy’s

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a smart, he’s a professor, he’s
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He’s going to be correct, right?
You need to investigate.

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That’s it.
Because there are a lot of

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deceivers on the planet.
When So there’s a lot of ways we

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can use our brains.
And what you’re sharing is

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there’s a lot of ways that we
can use it that makes sense to

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us and feel right, but may
actually misalign us from actual

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truth.
And in your own journey, you

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came to embrace the idea of
uncertainty.

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Why is uncertainty OK sometimes?
And why is it actually healthy

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to embrace that rather than
trying to grasp hold of

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certainty based on our logic?
OK, that’s a really good

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question and I’ve thought about
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The idea of doubt, doubting the
word of God down actually is a

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positive thing because now you
need to investigate.

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And if you investigate, you will
find the truth and it’s the

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truth will set you free.
And you know there’s more to

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truth than your brain.
You know you have a soul and

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things like that.
Well, how do you know that?

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I’m not going to answer that,
but I could.

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The brain and the soul go
together?

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Well, when I was born again,
that was a profound experience

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for me.
My age actually was between 10

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and 12 years old.
I just remember what happened to

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me, and I felt like I could fly,
you know, when the Holy Spirit

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came into my life.
So that laid a solid foundation

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for the Christian faith that I
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There’s a lot of things, you
know, when you pray or read the

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word, you ask for guidance and
the Holy Spirit is there to help

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you.
Well, there’s even the promise.

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You know, the Holy Spirit is
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I experienced that a lot.
There were times in my life that

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it wasn’t that way.
I would even feel empty maybe.

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But I just kept going on.
You have to keep going on and

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investigating, and everything
makes sense when you come out

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the other side.
What I found is that the Bible

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is true.
People may not like it, and

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there’s a lot of things about
the Bible.

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Actually, I’m writing the second
book that would answer questions

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like this.
Why is there genocide in the Old

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Testament, but it’s not in the
New, but it’s based on the the

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first book, the science behind
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And so it all fits together.
But yeah, doubt is a positive

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foundation because now it’s
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Yeah, it confronts our ingrained
belief that our logic is

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supposed to give us answers
because what’s actually

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happening there is our desire
for control and our fear of the

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unknown.
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Scripture says he is, then
there’s going to be a lot that

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we will not just not fully know,
but wouldn’t even know what to

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do with if we did know it.
And so I think you’re right.

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Doubt positions us to say, I
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I don’t have the answers.
And so here’s what’s interesting

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in what you’re sharing as God
has given us these brains and we

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can use these brains in many
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There are atheists who do not
believe God exists that are very

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smart, very intellectual, very
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So my question for you is this,
you’ve mentioned a few times the

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role of the spirit and
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What is the difference between
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spirit LED intellect and how
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Well, I think the real
difference is that when you

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experience the Holy Spirit in
your life, that goes along with

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your intellect or, or at least
with my research anyway, that

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validates faith in Christ.
That’s important.

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So if you OK, I, I talked about,
well, I got anointed by a ball

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of power from the Holy Spirit.
It was like 8 to 10 inches in

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diameter.
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heard the word annoy and this
ball of power comes down, my

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right hand went up to the top of
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But it’s goes beyond that
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experience.
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the Bible and the Holy Spirit,
he’s going to reveal himself to

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you.
That’s what I believe, and

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that’s what’s happened to me.
So it’s not just, you know, we

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have the spiritual side.
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That’s one of my gifts is the
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knowledge.
So it goes along with everything

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that I’m saying and the
knowledge and, and the Bible.

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The Bible’s correct because the
curiosity question is you find

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the answers and you seed this,
this control of human events

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that crosses over 30,500 years.
Then you say, here’s the

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question.
So I’m going to ask you, Paul,

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can you tell me what will happen
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more than 700 years out of the
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Well, nobody can answer.
That I can’t even tell you

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what’s happening in seven days.
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So what you find out is when you
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and get those precise dates that
things are going on that show no

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human could ever do this.
It’s impossible.

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And that validates faith.
People who write on Amazon about

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the book, they’ve read the book,
they’re all five star.

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They will say this book is even
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And it really is because it
gives you solid evidence that

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there’s more to this life and
this world than what we see with

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our eyes and and acknowledge,
you know, that’s like the

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unknown is there, but we can
know more than what we see or

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feel or touch.
Let’s say you were a like Peter

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or John following Jesus.
And this comes from the Paul

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Little’s book Know why you
believe first John chapter one,

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the first 3 verses.
He’s saying this is what was

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revealed to us, and we’re
revealing what we’ve seen with

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our eyes, what we have felt with
our hands and heard with our

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ears, and we’re saying this to
you so you would have fellowship

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with us.
That’s the paraphrase version.

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It all fits to you when you put
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You know, and what you’re
describing is actually a very

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encouraging thing for people who
are listening, and they might

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not realize it because the way
that we as humans approach

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intellect is first you have to
have a really good brain to have

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really good intellect.
And then two, you’ve got to put

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substantial work.
You know, you described reading

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encyclopedias, and somebody
could listen to that and say, I

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didn’t even read books when I
was a kid, so I am too far

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behind.
I could never think the way that

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John’s thinking and definitely
never write a book the way that

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John’s writing.
But you’ve described something

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very important, that this isn’t
sourced solely from your

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intellect and studies, but from
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Your story reminded me of a
story in Acts 3 and 4 where

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others experienced a ball of
energy, you know, in this case,

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tongues of fire coming down on
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Acts 413 comes right after Peter
speaks incredibly intellectually

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in front of all these
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statueses and teachers of the
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And Acts 413 says when they saw
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and realized that they were
unschooled, ordinary men, they

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were astonished.
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men had been with Jesus.
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normally the only way this guy
Peter could talk with the

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authority that he’s talking with
is if he had gone through all

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the training we’ve gone through
and we know he hasn’t.

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All we know is that he was with
Jesus and something just

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happened that led to this, these
thousands of people to begin

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getting very excited.
And so all this is really

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encouraging because somebody
listening can feel like they

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have nothing to offer.
They are not intellectual, and

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they can feel like knowing
things like these are beyond

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them.
But you’ve named that knowledge

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is one of the gifts of the
Spirit, that the Spirit can

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bring awareness.
So what would you say to the

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person who does not feel smart
enough to even pick up a book

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like yours to think about these
deeply theological things?

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Well, the book, I didn’t write
the book to where you have to

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have an education, a deep
education to understand it.

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And people say that about the
book.

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Sometimes people will say, well,
it’s beyond my pay level.

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One guy recently said that the
information is there.

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I would start out to be a
pastor.

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I’m not really a pastoral type
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So I gave up on that.
I ended up getting jobs and it’s

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like God is working in your
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I became a technical writer for
about a dozen years, actually

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not that long, and it was less
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And then I became, they promoted
me to reliability engineering.

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And so I learned to do analysis
like what you see in this book

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to prove or to get the precise
dates of the predicted events.

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And when you get that, out pops
control of human events across

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3500 years.
And nobody could do that.

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I was born to do this.
You might say it’s, it’s beyond

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me, but it’s like that.
And if you study the Bible, you

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pray about it, you get the book
and you read it, it’s going to

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increase your knowledge
substantially and validate faith

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in Christ.
So you scientifically date these

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time oriented events.
When did they happen?

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And what you learn is that these
texts foretold the future

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centuries in advance to the very
day.

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That’s the evidence of a being
that transcends space-time or

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the universe, because nobody can
foretell a future that

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precisely.
But here’s the evidence that

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validates faith in Christ.
Now in chapter 16, I say, well,

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here’s some time based
prophecies in Islam.

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Did they come true?
And what you’ll learn is 100%

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Thayer rate.
And so what’s that tell you?

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And that’s part of Book 2.
What does it take to foretell

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the future so precisely?
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theology of the attributes of
God, which are omniscience knows

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everything, omnipresence, he’s
everywhere, space-time are not

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controlling him, Omnipotence,
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So that’s what it takes.
Well, Allah as described in the

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Quran is nowhere near that.
In fact, he don’t even talk to

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anybody.
That’s so you get real

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information and you can use that
to show the atheists, Muslims,

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pagans, witches, things I’ve
never heard of.

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We converts from all kinds of
belief systems that show that

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the Bible has spiritual truth
from a being that transcends the

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universe, and this is the
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So I like to use it.
I call it database theology

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because we find that scientific
data actually is validating

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orthodox Christianity, and that
is that Christ came into the

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world.
You know, God Almighty became

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like us in Christ.
He died and he rose again.

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And if you read the reviews on
Amazon, you’ll see about 1/3 of

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those people are saying now
science even validates the

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resurrection.
And it actually does.

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So it’s really a cool thing to
learn.

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And you could show that to
people and they’re going to

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scratch their head and say that
that’s really interesting or

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something.
I don’t know if they reject

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that.
All you do is pray for them

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because it’s not up to you to
convert them or me.

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You know, it’s like we asked the
two questions and we pray for

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the person.
That’s it.

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Holy Spirit does all the work.
And so we’re involved in that

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way.
So you don’t have to have a high

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education to understand the book
and you learn a lot.

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And I wouldn’t have written it
unless I was called.

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In fact, I wasn’t going to write
the book until like 1986.

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I had all this stuff figured
out, not not in the detail of

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what I have now.
And I’m so I’m not going to tell

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anybody this.
So it was in my home church

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where I grew up and the, the
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I did.
And I said it’s kind of nice to

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be at home, blah, blah, blah.
And oh, by the way, was thinking

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about writing a book.
Pray for guidance.

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And I sat down and I call
myself, I said to myself, you

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idiot, would you ask for that?
Then the pastor had to stand up

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and he’s praying.
I’m in the back Rd. twiddling my

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thumbs.
And he started to pray for me.

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Guidance and a three inch wide
belt of fire came across my

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chest.
And that went on for a whole

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minute.
He prayed for me and when he

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stopped and went away and I
said, well, I better write the

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book.
You know, no matter, it wasn’t a

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perfect book, but it’s, it’s
there.

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You don’t have to be perfect.
I’ll tell you that right now.

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And one of the the first
converts I had was a Jewish guy

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because I was going to a
messianic.

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And the guy came there to see
his grandson and his son was the

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pastor.
And he told me, well, Jesus,

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that’s just a bunch of baloney.
And I beprinted him and I asked

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him to read 50 pages and give me
his opinion next time.

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And two weeks later I saw him.
I said, well, did you like what

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you read?
And he said I bought 3 versions

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of the New Testament, I’m
studying it.

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And he, he got baptized 3 months
later.

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So you don’t have to be perfect.
It’s OK, I’m not perfect.

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Nobody is.
God will definitely use you no

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matter where you are.
Nobody’s perfect, that’s for

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sure.
It sounds like.

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That’s the key is a right
understanding of ourselves, but

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also a right understanding of
God because as you noted, you

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were talking about scripture and
it wasn’t a whole bunch of

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people writing their own
prophecies.

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It was the God of the universe
speaking through others, giving

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word to people.
And in the same way, you shared

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how God gave you words, spoke
through you, which means that

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can be true for people as well.
They can feel like they, like

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Peter, are uneducated and unable
to do these things, and yet the

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Spirit can do powerful things
through it.

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But I love that you’ve
emphasized the important part of

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knowing ourselves and our
limitations.

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And it makes me think of
Proverbs 3 five and six, which

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captures both of these elements.
Trust in the Lord with all your

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heart and do not lean on your
own understanding in all your

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ways.
Submit to Him and He will make

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your paths straight.
And so God has given us the gift

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of these brains of intellect,
but He’s invited us to know who

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we are in that and our
limitations, and to know who He

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is and His limitlessness and to
move forward, not leaning on

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ourselves, but trusting in and
submitting to Him.

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And so if somebody wanted to
experience this spirit, this

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helper, this advocate, what
would you encourage him to do

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today?
Yeah, well, first of all, you

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can pick up the New Testament,
read it, and pray for the Holy

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Spirit to help you understand
what was written.

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Study it.
Study it.

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If you read a book like what I
wrote, it may open your mind

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that there’s more going on than
what you think.

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It opens your heart and your
mind that there’s more to

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reality that is perceived with
the mind.

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A lot of the things being
written, if you read stuff on

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00:29:40,280 –> 00:29:46,400
the Internet promoting atheism
or agnosticism is based on false

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assumptions.
We already talked about there’s

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a multiverse.
Well, show me even one same

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thing, evolution.
We got here because we just

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evolved from, you know, the
swamp or whatever.

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Here’s the question though, do
you have any scientific data

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repeatable all over the planet
in any lab showing where non

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living material self assembled
until the living cell of the

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most simplest kind.
And the answer is it doesn’t

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exist.
So and they may say, well faith

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in the Bible is the same thing.
No Well if you read the book,

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nobody can foretell the future,
but it does foretell the future.

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It’s actually a a scientific
apologetic.

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It actually answers a question
that no apologetic book will

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answer.
And because it answers a chief

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question, the central question,
can anybody foretell the future?

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The answer’s no.
But here we see evidence that it

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does and it doesn’t with purpose
because what’s really

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interesting is the the
destruction of Herod’s temple is

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actually pointed to Jesus death
and resurrection because the

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very date it’s done on reveals a
a great deal.

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You know, Jesus had to rise from
the dead to make it happen that

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way.
And it was no way possible that

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it just happened by chance.
It’s a controlled event.

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It was controlled and it was
fulfilling what was written by

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Daniel.
Now you’re right, Daniel didn’t

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create that.
He got it from the Holy Spirit

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and wrote it.
And actually he writes he got it

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from the Angel named Gabriel.
So you might want to question

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that.
But when you look at all the

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data and the science behind it,
you find there’s more to this

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than you can believe.
There’s something going on.

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And so you can ask then the Holy
Spirit into your life and guide

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me.
I want to know more.

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Just seek Him with all your
heart, mind and soul and he’s

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going to answer your questions
and open your mind to what is

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reality.
You know, there’s so much more

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that we could talk about.
So if somebody is listening and

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they want to go deeper, how can
they connect with your book and

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00:32:11,200 –> 00:32:14,160
connect with you?
Well, there’s a website

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authorjohnzachary.com, so it’s
Triple W author.

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00:32:18,960 –> 00:32:23,840
Like I’m an author of a book,
author John, John, Zachary,

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ZACHA, ry.com.
You can go there and read it.

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I’m revising the site some.
There’s a newsletter there too.

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00:32:31,960 –> 00:32:35,120
The newsletter can sign up.
I want to make it to where you

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00:32:35,120 –> 00:32:39,560
can download the ebook all over
the planet because in Africa you

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00:32:39,560 –> 00:32:44,760
can’t buy a book from Amazon.
This way it will be available to

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those people as well.
We have the book in Swahili

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language and we’re going to
download it all over Africa,

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00:32:51,080 –> 00:32:55,800
there for five nations.
Well, 270 million people speak

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00:32:56,000 –> 00:32:59,920
Swahili, but it’s in English.
I have it in French.

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You never know.
Or you can go to the website

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Amazon.com and you have to look
for the name of the book, The

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00:33:07,320 –> 00:33:12,800
Science Behind the Story of
Jesus by John Zachary.

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You have to put the whole thing
in there.

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00:33:15,520 –> 00:33:21,080
It’ll come up and you can read
the reviews and you’ll find it

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00:33:21,080 –> 00:33:24,960
only gets five stars.
Nobody’s giving it a four-star

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00:33:24,960 –> 00:33:26,800
yet.
Maybe somebody, well, I guess

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00:33:26,800 –> 00:33:33,000
her, maybe a one star.
Anyway, you can get the book and

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00:33:33,000 –> 00:33:35,800
read it.
It’s almost 400 pages of

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information.
It is cutting edge information

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because nobody has ever
scientifically dated these

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events.
And when you do, that’s a

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foundation.
You’ll find repeatability from

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the time of Moses, which a lot
of archaeologists and people are

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00:33:54,240 –> 00:33:56,400
saying the Exodus never
occurred.

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Well, here’s science.
We use an astronomy and it’s a

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00:34:00,360 –> 00:34:02,480
simple calculation.
Everybody’s going to get the

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00:34:02,480 –> 00:34:06,440
same answer, not just me.
You can do it on your cell phone

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00:34:06,880 –> 00:34:09,880
and get the same answer.
So you’re going to Amazon and

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00:34:09,880 –> 00:34:12,159
look that up.
You can decide if you want to

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00:34:12,159 –> 00:34:17,719
buy it and read it or not.
If you do, your faith is going

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to go through the roof because
you’re going to be able to show

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00:34:20,719 –> 00:34:24,040
anybody and everybody there’s
more going on than what you

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00:34:24,040 –> 00:34:25,320
believe.
Yeah.

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Well, John, I really appreciate
the way you’ve pressed us to

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understand our intellect and our
brains.

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And as we close out, is there
any final thoughts that you feel

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led to share?
I want to say thanks for having

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00:34:37,040 –> 00:34:40,199
me on.
I really appreciate that and God

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00:34:40,199 –> 00:34:42,320
bless you.
God bless everybody listening

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00:34:42,719 –> 00:34:47,040
and may you will hug one another
in heaven whether you meet me

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00:34:47,040 –> 00:34:51,080
here on earth or not.
That’s because when you read,

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when you read this information,
you realize, you know, it’s the

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evidence of a transcendent being
and it shows that every non

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Christian worldview doesn’t
measure up.

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Trust in the Lord.
With all your heart and lean not

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on your own understanding in all
your ways.

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Submit to Him and He will make
your paths straight.

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For those who have been
listening, you know that

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Proverbs 35 and 6 is no stranger
to most of my podcasts.

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It’s been a passage that I’ve
thought about often throughout

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my life.
Growing up, I did.

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Well, in school, but I
recognized in college, as I

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leaned into my degree in
religion and Christian ministry,

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a frustration around how
intellect was being used.

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I remember there being moments
in the religion department.

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Where I would see.
Two of my peers begin to argue

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to prove some theological point
and.

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What was?
Absent from that moment was the

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sense that this was for God’s
glory.

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This was an act of loving God
and loving others.

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It became very clear so.
Many of these moments were about

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00:36:29,240 –> 00:36:34,000
winning the argument, about
being right, or about putting

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God into a box.
And we were all young and we

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00:36:37,800 –> 00:36:40,800
were in an academic environment,
so you couldn’t blame us.

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But I remember feeling this
dissatisfaction with that

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00:36:45,880 –> 00:36:48,320
intellectual approach to
understanding God.

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What I realized is, man, I can’t
comprehend God.

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I can barely comprehend the.
Universe.

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And he’s bigger than that, so
how can I grasp an

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00:36:58,120 –> 00:37:01,720
incomprehensible God?
I found myself desiring to

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position myself in a way of
actually seeking Him, not trying

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to contain or control him, to
know Him, even if I still didn’t

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00:37:10,800 –> 00:37:14,640
fully understand him.
Proverbs 3 five and six makes it

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clear that God has given us
intellect.

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00:37:17,960 –> 00:37:21,520
He has given us brains.
We are made in the image of a

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00:37:21,520 –> 00:37:25,160
Creator, so He has made us able
to create.

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And yet Proverbs 3 five and six
gives an invitation as we

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utilize our brains, as we have
our understanding, that we would

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not lean on it, that we would
not count on that.

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To be our.
Support.

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But rather that we would lean on
God, that God would be our

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support.
And the way we lean on God is to

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trust him with all of our heart,
even when it doesn’t make sense,

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and in all our ways to submit to
Him, even if we prefer to go

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00:37:59,040 –> 00:38:03,520
another way.
God has given us intellect.

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He has given us brains, but He
did so not so that we could

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figure everything out, so that
we can control information, but

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so that we could be like Him,
made in His image, and in that

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draw into deeper and deeper
relationship with our Creator.

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Though it can seem like our
brains can be a barrier to

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leaning into this faith that
feels like foolishness, our

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00:38:29,520 –> 00:38:34,000
brains can actually be one of
the tools God’s given us to know

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00:38:34,000 –> 00:38:39,200
Him and make Him known even as
we still face profound unknowns.

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God wants you to know Him, even
while it would still blow your

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00:38:44,840 –> 00:38:47,960
mind if you fully saw
everything.

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But He also knows there will
come a time when these limited

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bodies and minds fade away and
we can finally grasp Him.

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As First Corinthians 1312 puts
it.

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For now we see only a
reflection, as in a mirror.

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Then we shall see face to face.
Now I know in part.

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Then I shall know fully, even as
I am fully known.

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You are fully known by God and
He wants you to grow to know who

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He is.
Right now it is in part, but one

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day it will be in full and in
the meantime we can look for Him

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and celebrate Him wherever we
see Him.

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It starts with asking the
question, Where did you see God?