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Most people are on board with
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people have had moments where it
was an exceptionally hard thing

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to love another person.
As Jesus puts it in Luke 6

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starting at verse 32, if you
love those who love you, what

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credit is that to you?
Even sinners love those who love

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them.
And if you do good to those who

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are good to you, what credit is
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To you.
Even sinners do that.

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Jesus called us to and lived out
a more robust understanding of

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love than we realize.
Scripture tells us that God is

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love, and since we all struggle
to really understand God, it

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stands to reason that we might
not understand love.

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This is something that today’s
guest, Doctor James Hall, has

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been processing for years, and
it’s come about in a very

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unexpected way.
Doctor James knew the love of

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his father and yet he has found
himself called to a ministry to

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those who are fatherless.
This passion has brought him

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into some difficult
relationships, difficult spaces,

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and yet there is a love within
him, a love that he knows is

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greater than him, that leads him
to invest in the lives of the

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young men in his community.
He knows that love is vital, but

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he also knows that it’s more
than doing nice things.

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It’s about being a conduit of
God’s love for those around him.

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If the topic of love or
fatherlessness is relevant to

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you, you might be encouraged by
Doctor James’s conversation.

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You’re listening to episode 244
of the Where Did You See God

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podcast.
Father God, I just want to thank

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you that you are God and you are
good, and for the gift that you

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have given James and I to be
able to connect together, but to

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connect in your presence, to be
guided in our conversation by

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you.
And so, Holy Spirit, we invite

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you to move.
We thank you for the gift of

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conversation, but also the
privilege to be used by you in

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ways that are measurable, more
than we could ask for or

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imagine.
So Holy Spirit, move, God be

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honored and glorified.
And we thank you in advance for

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what you’re going to do.
Honestly, we pray in most holy

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and precious name, Amen.
Amen.

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Thank you for that prayer.
I appreciate it, Paul.

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Yeah, well, Doctor James, I am
excited to connect.

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And before we jump into
conversation, what would you

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want people to know about who
you are?

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Great.
Question I’m a nephrologist by

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trade, so that’s what I do in my
day job.

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I pay the bills, but my calling
is a ministry, and part of my

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ministry is really helping young
men.

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I’ve always had my dad until he
died in 2014, but for some

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reason I have this deep burning
burden to help disillusioned,

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disconnected, fatherless young
men.

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Even when I graduated from
college, I went to Eckerd Youth

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Alternative, which was an at
risk youth camp, and I worked

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with young boys, you know, and I
was thinking about that the

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other day.
I was like, you know, it’s

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something about me and who I am
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gravitates to helping young men.
So that’s really what I want to

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try to let people know is go
after your purpose and your

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passion.
That’s what I’m trying to do.

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And I feel like it’s who I was
created to be.

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Yeah.
So it sounds like this calling

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this passion sounds like you
really started to recognize it

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as your life got going.
But you talked about there’s

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there being this magnetic moment
that you were drawn to these

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spaces.
When did you first start to

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really recognize, oh, there is a
fire lit within me.

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Yeah.
For these young men.

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Honestly, when I moved to the
town I’m in now, Brookhaven, and

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started to drive the church van
and start to pick up all these

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young men and I started to
notice so much lacking in their

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emotional makeup, their
spiritual makeup, their

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understanding about life, and a
lot of practical things.

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I really started to reach across
the aisle, so to speak, and try

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to help them see the things that
they can’t see, understand the

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things they can’t understand.
And so we’ve evolved into Mighty

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Men Academy.
We’ve evolved into just trying

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to be what they need because a
lot of them don’t have fathers.

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And so there’s so much missing,
and we want to try to bridge

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that gap.
So just driving a church van

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probably was the epiphany where
I really start to see like, this

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is something that I love to do.
It’s painless for me to help

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young boys.
Yeah, When you’re stuck in a

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vehicle, you can hear a lot of
things, learn a lot of things,

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have a lot of conversations.
That’s true.

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But that is a piece of it is
like the relationship element.

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Relationships.
Yeah, Yeah, that’s right.

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Which is interesting because,
yeah, there’s two ways that I’m

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thinking of that people can come
to this type of work.

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One way is from a knowledge,
informational standpoint,

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somebody might become aware of
challenges that young men are

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facing, have their ideas of how
to fix it, and then they go in

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and maybe start a nonprofit or
start doing these projects

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because they’re addressing this
need that they’ve seen arise.

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But in what you shared, there
are two pieces that really stood

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out to me.
One is, again, that magnetism

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piece that before you even knew
that this passion was in you,

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you were drawn to it and
interestingly drawn to it when

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it wasn’t necessarily a part of
your story.

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That’s right.
Your father was with you for a

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large part of your life.
This was something that God was

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doing in you before you even
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So that’s one piece.
But then you said something that

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I think people could miss is
there is a capacity within you

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for this work.
There’s something that not just

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that you’re excited about it,
but you have the energy, you

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have the drive, you have the
excitement.

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There’s something within you
that is primed for what is often

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a very challenging space to
navigate.

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Yes, Sir.
And so how have you seen God

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working within that piece?
How has He set you up uniquely?

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That might be different than if
you just heard there was an

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issue and you just stepped in
with your intellect.

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You know, honestly, I believe
the church is a great venue for

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almost any ministry to thrive
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And then that we have basically
set up shop in the inner city of

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Brookhaven, picked up kids, fed
them, bought clothes, took them

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to colleges.
You know, church is the great, I

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say, platform of where we can
extend the gospel and take it

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from.
Yeah, you got to get your soul

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and your mind, your heart right
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But there’s more that we can do
as an extension of that love for

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other people.
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And so church is probably the
best venue, I would say, that

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has helped me see the picture
from all sides, see it from a

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panoramic view.
Because, you know, yeah, they

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need spiritual help, There’s no
doubt about it.

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But there’s some other things
that we can do just as good

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citizens, just as good people,
you know, as mentors, as

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leaders, as Big Brothers, so to
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And so this is how we have been
able to migrate into those

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spaces and God has been able to
give us the grace to step into

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those areas to help a lot of
these young men.

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Yeah, if the church is operating
as it’s meant to by following

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the lead of Jesus, yes, Sir,
then what Jesus did is he did

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address spiritual needs, but he
also met practical needs, and he

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also just spent time with
people, and he also had

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conversation.
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You know, you and I know that
not every church is following

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that lead all the time, right?
Sometimes isn’t following that

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lead well.
But when we do what you’re

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saying is so true.
There is this holistic

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engagement that happens.
Yes, Sir, that is more profound

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than just if you’re only
addressing the spiritual or if

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you’re only addressing the
practical.

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Right, right.
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You know, I was reading First
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night, which is the chapter on
love, and it talks about how

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speaking in tongues, prophecy
and knowledge are so much

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inferior to love.
Love Trump’s out all of those

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other virtues or gifts.
And so if we neglect the love

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component of ministry of the
gospel, we’ve almost missed it.

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You know, we’ve missed it
because the Bible says that God

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is love.
And recognizing another person’s

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needs is the definition of
compassion, feeling what they

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feel and seeing what they need
and trying to meet the need.

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And that’s what Jesus did.
He met the needs of the people.

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You know, they were spiritually
deficient, crippled.

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He would meet that need, but
he’d also meet other needs.

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That’s our challenge to meet the
needs that’s in our community.

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And in 2026, 75 to 80% of black
kids are born out of wedlock.

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And so there’s an entire culture
of children and young people

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being raised with no fathers in
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That’s the modern day ministry.
That is the modern churches.

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I’d say mountain that we got to
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And if we look the other way and
put our heads in the sand, we’re

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going to continue to see the
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society.
No matter how strong our

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churches are and how much they
speak in tongues and prophecy

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and how spiritual they are, we
cannot afford to look the other

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way when it comes to this
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You.
Were talking about First

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Corinthians 13 and talking about
love and I feel like we’ve got

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to pause there for a second
because love is a word everybody

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knows and everybody uses in a
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And I think one of the big
missteps of the church and of

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Christians is we have a desire
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We feel like we are doing loving
things, but we might not fully

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understand what biblical love is
because what you describe, you

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say God is love.
So that’s got to be bigger than

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just I love bagels.
But then Jesus takes it even

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further, says you need to love
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And so, as you have explored the
concept of love, and as you have

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been invited into spaces where
God was inviting you to be a

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conduit of His love, what have
you learned about what Love

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Actually is?
You know, this is an ongoing

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debate with me and God love.
I’ve been praying to God because

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I’m reading the pulpit
commentary on love on 1st

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Corinthians 13, and I was so
convicted about not meeting the

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standard of love.
I was so just shocked, you know,

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because I don’t think many
people understand what love is,

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you know, and I put myself in
that category because the Bible

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says in Isaiah 55 and eight,
God’s ways are so much higher

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than our ways.
So we don’t really have the full

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measure or mental capacity to
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I think we approach it.
I think we give it our best shot

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and we try to do what we feel
like God is leading us to do in

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every area of our life.
But to truly be Christ like is

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to love people regardless of
what they’re doing, regardless

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of how hard they’ve hurt you,
regardless of how much it costs

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you, you know, not gossip about
them, not slander them,

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regardless of what they’ve done
to you.

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That’s what love really is.
It’s a hard task, but I believe

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it is.
The challenge that God has

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placed before all of His
children is to love, because the

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number one and #2 commandments
is love God with all your heart,

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soul, mind and strength, and
love thy neighbor as thyself.

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That’s it.
We quote that Scripture all the

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time, but do we really
understand the full measure of

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its meaning?
Yeah, ’cause loving God is a

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strong virtue, and loving your
neighbor is a strong virtue.

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Yeah.
So I’m a work in progress when

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it comes to love.
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I’m gonna do my best ’cause I
feel like that’s what God wants

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every person to do, is do their
best.

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Yeah, and so as you learn
better, you do better, and you

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approach your best or you get
better every day to give God

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your best, give your friends,
your family, your people, your

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best.
And that’s what God really wants

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of us, is to do our best.
You mentioned being a work in

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progress, and I feel like if
anybody felt like they were an

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expert in love, then I would say
they probably don’t fully

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understand what love is.
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about love is actually in a lot
of ways impossible for us beyond

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our capacity, usually because
it’s beyond our desire.

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We look at Jesus in John 13 and
it’s his last meal with his

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disciples before the
crucifixion.

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There’s a lot he could use that
time for.

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But when he wanted to show them
what love was and demonstrate

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it, what he did was humiliate
himself, stripped down to just

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his inner garments and then wash
their nasty feet.

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And it was such a shocking thing
that Peter almost rebuked him

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for it.
So you can’t do this.

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No, but Jesus goes forward with
it and then later says, have you

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seen me, dude?
Go and do likewise.

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Likewise.
And then again, we mentioned

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loving enemies and that’s
incredibly hard for us.

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This is element of service is
playing into and that’s part of

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how you have been living, this
desire to serve.

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It brings my mind back to the
reality that depending on what

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our starting point is, it can
impact how we serve.

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And if somebody is just coming
from an informational

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standpoint, I see a problem and
I want to fix it.

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They might hit walls and serving
because let’s be honest, there

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are a lot of assumptions and
perceptions about young inner

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city men who were fatherless.
There’s a lot in the media and

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movies that shape how most
people believe those young men

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are.
What is it you have come to know

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about the young men that you
serve that you want other people

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to understand?
You know, I was reading a

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article a long time ago and it
talked about how all cultures of

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all people in the whole world
want the same thing.

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Everybody want the same thing.
Everybody just want to be loved.

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That’s all.
People just want to be loved,

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and if a young man or young
woman did not have the love of a

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father, the one man that was
supposed to love them didn’t.

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And that’s a problem.
Yeah, that’s a major challenge.

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So now this young child, this
young man, young woman is, so to

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speak, behind the 8 ball.
They really don’t have the

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necessary ingredients for a
strong emotional makeup.

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And so there’s something
missing.

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And so if nobody loves that
child and nobody really shows

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that child what it means to have
the love of a father, then that

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child grows up being unloved.
And this is what caused a lot of

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our societal ills today.
It’s just these kids are

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unloved.
Nobody sets out to be a high

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school dropout. 71% of high
school dropouts grew up in a

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fatherless home.
But if you ask all first

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graders, are they going to
graduate high school?

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Yeah, of course. 90% of runaways
and homeless victim grew up in a

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fatherless home.
Like, nobody wants to be

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homeless and be a runaway.
But somewhere in the evolution

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of that child’s life, they lost
it.

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They were disconnected,
disillusioned and really saw the

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need to just cut ties with
society as a whole.

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But these kids are just normal
kids and trying their best to

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survive in a world that doesn’t
love them.

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And so without that factor, I
mean, you mentioned love and we

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talked about love.
That is the key ingredient.

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If a child feels unloved,
there’s no telling what they

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might do or what descent they
may make in society.

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In the crime world, a unloved
young lady may sell her body, be

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promiscuous.
I mean just that.

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The possibilities are endless.
What a person will do if nobody

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has shown them the love that
they know they deserve.

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They know that every person
knows the unlovable, every

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person.
But if the man that’s supposed

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to show them that doesn’t, that
creates a emotional defect, a

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spiritual defect in the heart of
mind of a child.

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And so we have to understand
that people need to understand

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that there’s something
intrinsically wrong with this

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child’s inner makeup because
they didn’t have their father.

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And once we understand that, we
can start to look at this

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situation or the child from a
different perspective, from a

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perspective of let’s try to
reconnect this child with their

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father or let’s try to reconnect
this child with somebody, a

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mentor, a coach, a pastor, a
teacher that can really show

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them, you know, your dad may not
have been there, but God had

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sent somebody that may be 10
times better than your

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biological father, you know, and
they love you way more than they

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could have ever loved you, you
know?

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You mentioned earlier that God
is love, and Scripture often

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refers to God as a father.
And so it makes sense that the

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role of a human father is an
opportunity to embody those

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elements of who God is and his
love in those lies.

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And so you’re right.
When that’s absent, there is

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this void that was meant to be
filled.

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You know, there is
fatherlessness all over the

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world.
What makes it uniquely difficult

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in the inner city context?
One thing I would say is just

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the sheer numbers.
You know, in the black

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community, it’s around 75 to
80%.

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You know, those kids are born
out of Whitlock fatherless.

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So that fact alone is just just
too many.

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Society can’t fully manage.
All these wayward kids are

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fatherless kids.
That’s one thing.

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It’s just so many, but in the
inner city, there’s a

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compression of the population,
so to speak, and there are a lot

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of kids growing up in a small
radius.

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And so that just creates a
perfect storm for bad things to

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happen.
When you look at, you know,

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Chicago in the 70s and 80s like
the Cabrini Green apartments and

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some of the inner city quote
project departments, I mean, you

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had 6 or 7000.
Fatherless kids in one apartment

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complex, Mom was at work, that
was God knows where, so you got

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a bunch of kids raising kids and
you know it’s just a perfect

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stone for something bad to
occur.

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For instance, I live in a rural
area, so fatherless statistics

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are just as bad, but it’s kind
of a little more spread out.

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You know, all the kids, yeah,
they meet up at school, but when

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they get off, they get off the
school bus, they got to go their

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separate wave.
So it just may be better in some

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of your rural areas because
they’re not just so congregated,

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you know?
So the inner city is tough

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because people migrate to the
inner cities.

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The population is higher and
there’s a lot more, I guess

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places to hide when when the
criminal element comes into

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play.
There’s a lot more access to

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guns, there’s a lot more access
to crime.

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It just seems to be easier to
commit crimes in the inner city.

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And I feel like to answer your
question, that’s probably part

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of it, why the inner city is
just such a hard sale and it’s

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just difficult to try to reach
every kid when there’s so many.

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Yeah, when I think that’s
something that people,

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especially if they don’t have
much interaction with inner city

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context, they don’t understand
the environmental element of it

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and they don’t understand how
much of the environmental

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element is often beyond the
choice or control of many that

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are living there.
I grew up in the country rural

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context and experienced a very
different thing, and now I live

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in an inner city context.
One thing that was very valuable

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for me was to learn the history
of Richmond.

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And what I came to find out is
there’s a lot that people would

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broad sweep about these
communities.

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But the first thing I realized
is, oh, the housing projects

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were intentionally concentrated
within a mile radius of each

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other.
That’s right.

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And positioned in such a way
that all of the poverty was

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localized into one spot.
Well, if you put all the poverty

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in one spot, that’s going to
have impacts.

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Then as I got into the history
deeper, I realized, oh, that

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community was redlined starting
in the 1920s and banks

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intentionally did not give money
for development and growth.

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And so those communities fell
way behind other communities

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that were invested in.
Then I learned more and more and

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I realized, oh, being right off
of 95 meant that when the drugs

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came into the ports in Florida
and we’re on their way to New

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York, they would stop off the
first neighborhoods are those

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neighborhoods and drugs were
introduced.

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Not that people were looking for
drugs to be introduced, but

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drugs were introduced.
And then if you have an

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environment where there is a lot
of hardship, there are very few

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opportunities, there is a lot of
loss and struggles, then you

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start to have people who need
relief in some kind of way.

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So they might lean into the drug
thing.

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Or if you feel like your
identity doesn’t exist and you

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just need connection and
community, well, that’s where

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gangs began to really be able to
pull people in, is we are a

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family together.
And so you have all these

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factors piled on top of each
other and on top of each other.

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And then you have a young man
who, for whatever reason, his

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father’s not around.
And so he doesn’t have that core

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source of love that by design
was supposed to be there.

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He has all these voices telling
them who he is and who he isn’t.

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That isn’t necessarily accurate
to who he is.

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And many voices saying this is
all your life is going to amount

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to.
That is a hard thing to

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navigate.
So then God positions

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individuals like you to step
into these spaces.

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But what I know and I know you
have really experienced is this

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isn’t a quick fix thing that God
has probably called you for the

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long term into this space.
So tell me about that piece of

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his that this isn’t an easy
solution, but actually God wants

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it to be a long game investment.
Yeah, it is a long game

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investment because you’re
talking about years of, I would

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say, some disenfranchisement.
But really, you know, when we

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take away all of that and we get
to the bottom line of family, in

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1960, around 80% of black kids
were born to mothers who were

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married, and around 95% of
Caucasian babies were born to

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mothers who were married.
I mean, it was just crazy.

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So we have to try to turn this
ship around back to that so that

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we can get fathers back in the
home.

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And ultimately that’s going to
be the ticket to help correct

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some of all this.
Family, in my opinion, is

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probably the biggest vaccination
to all the things that may

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happen outside the home.
The racism, the poverty, the the

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segregation of the communities
in the projects, all this stuff

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that happened.
Family is the one thing that can

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be a constant in any person’s
life that will help lead and

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guide them around the pitfalls
of life.

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And this is what we have to do.
And it’s a long game because,

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you know, it took a long time to
get where we are.

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So it’s going to take a long
time to resolve these issues

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’cause we have people who are
just being born now without a

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father.
We have people who are 20 years

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old who’d never had a father.
So we got to try to help all

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those kids in between and the
kids who don’t have kids, try to

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help them see the importance of
getting married before start

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having kids, get married and and
start to build a family so you

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can have a legacy.
Because, you know, I talk about

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this in the book, A lot of men
don’t want to get married

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because, you know, I just don’t
want to be tied down a lot, you

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know, you know, the typical, you
know, bachelor comments about

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marriage.
But here’s the thing.

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Married men, they make more
money.

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Check.
I don’t know anybody who

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wouldn’t sign up for that.
Married men are healthier,

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check.
Married men live longer, check.

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Married men have more sex,
check, check, check on that one.

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So it behooves men to get
married.

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You know they’re having kids
with these women, right?

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They like something about them.
But we have to convince them to

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approach fatherhood
relationship, approach it like

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God approaches it, have a
biblical, A godly view of how I

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should approach my relationship.
And that’s going to help us get

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in the game for the long haul
because it won’t be people like

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me that will be necessary.
I hope I become obsolete with

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00:27:11,320 –> 00:27:13,680
what I’m talking about, with all
this fatherless.

436
00:27:14,040 –> 00:27:19,680
I hope it’s totally obsolete,
you know, and fathers have drank

437
00:27:19,680 –> 00:27:22,720
the kool-aid on what it means to
be a father.

438
00:27:23,080 –> 00:27:26,840
And they will refuse to ever
leave their families, refuse to

439
00:27:26,840 –> 00:27:31,200
ever abandoned their kids
because abandonment is a real

440
00:27:31,200 –> 00:27:34,000
thing, Father abandonment is a
real thing.

441
00:27:34,720 –> 00:27:39,680
So I hope this becomes obsolete
because ultimately we got to let

442
00:27:39,680 –> 00:27:44,240
the next generation know how
valuable they are, how important

443
00:27:44,240 –> 00:27:49,240
they are, that they’re loved and
that I’m glad I brought you

444
00:27:49,240 –> 00:27:51,080
here.
And I’m going to make sure I

445
00:27:51,080 –> 00:27:52,760
take care of you while you’re
here.

446
00:27:53,160 –> 00:27:57,240
That’s the job of a father.
And God is holding every single

447
00:27:57,240 –> 00:28:01,280
father accountable to their
families and to their kids.

448
00:28:01,760 –> 00:28:03,200
I don’t know if you’re a father,
Paul.

449
00:28:03,720 –> 00:28:07,960
OK, so God is holding us
accountable to our kids.

450
00:28:08,600 –> 00:28:13,040
And so, you know, how can we say
we’re Christian if we don’t even

451
00:28:13,040 –> 00:28:18,960
do the most basic of Christian
duties, which is take care of

452
00:28:18,960 –> 00:28:22,080
your own.
And this is something where we

453
00:28:22,080 –> 00:28:25,960
as a country, as a culture have
to understand.

454
00:28:26,520 –> 00:28:30,440
All communities, not just black,
but Caucasian, Hispanic, you

455
00:28:30,440 –> 00:28:34,520
know, Asian have an 11%
illegitimacy rate.

456
00:28:35,400 –> 00:28:38,400
So only 11% of Asian kids are
born out of wedlock.

457
00:28:39,040 –> 00:28:42,320
Guess who’s the most wealthy
demographic in America?

458
00:28:43,160 –> 00:28:47,600
Asians.
I wonder, is there a correlation

459
00:28:47,600 –> 00:28:49,280
there?
You see what I’m saying?

460
00:28:49,880 –> 00:28:53,760
There’s generational wealth.
You talking about the long game?

461
00:28:54,240 –> 00:28:57,680
If you don’t have generations,
you can’t ever have generational

462
00:28:57,680 –> 00:29:00,720
wealth, you know?
So when black people come to me

463
00:29:00,720 –> 00:29:05,160
and tell me, you know, about the
man, about the government, we

464
00:29:05,400 –> 00:29:07,840
all this, the first
questionnaire is where are your

465
00:29:07,840 –> 00:29:09,840
kids?
What are you doing for your

466
00:29:09,840 –> 00:29:10,840
kids?
Because that’s where

467
00:29:10,840 –> 00:29:14,720
generational wealth comes in, is
that I can leave something to my

468
00:29:14,720 –> 00:29:16,720
kids.
They can build it up, make it

469
00:29:16,720 –> 00:29:18,640
better.
They leave to their kids.

470
00:29:19,000 –> 00:29:22,840
And now we’re really in the game
for the long haul because now we

471
00:29:22,840 –> 00:29:28,320
not only have social wealth,
family, we have financial wealth

472
00:29:29,120 –> 00:29:34,520
and we have spiritual wealth.
So as a father, we have to leave

473
00:29:34,520 –> 00:29:40,040
legacies for our kids,
spiritual, financial, social and

474
00:29:40,040 –> 00:29:42,320
everything in between.
That’s our job.

475
00:29:43,280 –> 00:29:47,680
It’s to leave a legacy so that
when I leave, when I die and

476
00:29:47,680 –> 00:29:50,720
make my transition, I really
didn’t die.

477
00:29:51,400 –> 00:29:53,800
There’s a lot of me still left
on this earth.

478
00:29:54,280 –> 00:29:57,240
You see what I’m saying?
That’s how we, that’s how we get

479
00:29:57,240 –> 00:30:00,200
in it for the long haul.
So that’s my goal is to get

480
00:30:00,200 –> 00:30:04,800
fathers back in the home, help
them understand the gravity of

481
00:30:04,800 –> 00:30:06,920
bringing another child into this
world.

482
00:30:07,440 –> 00:30:10,840
I know mother and father don’t
always work out, divorce, things

483
00:30:10,840 –> 00:30:15,080
like that happen.
But my mom used to say leave

484
00:30:15,080 –> 00:30:18,680
kids, leave them in Timbuktu.
She used to say that that was

485
00:30:18,680 –> 00:30:21,960
her way of saying don’t bring no
kids here until you’re mad.

486
00:30:23,040 –> 00:30:27,200
That was her way of saying that.
But kids didn’t ask to be here.

487
00:30:27,200 –> 00:30:31,880
Yeah, we brought them here, so
it’s our job to take care of

488
00:30:31,880 –> 00:30:34,000
them.
There are no accidents.

489
00:30:35,280 –> 00:30:37,640
There are no illegitimate
children.

490
00:30:37,880 –> 00:30:41,800
I know we use that term for the
sake of statistics, but that’s a

491
00:30:41,800 –> 00:30:44,160
misnomer.
There are absolutely no

492
00:30:44,160 –> 00:30:48,360
illegitimate children, only
illegitimate parents.

493
00:30:49,920 –> 00:30:51,880
The kids didn’t make any
mistakes.

494
00:30:51,880 –> 00:30:54,200
The parents did.
See what I’m saying?

495
00:30:54,720 –> 00:31:00,560
So our job is to really get back
to what God wants for family.

496
00:31:01,280 –> 00:31:03,280
That’s our main goal with all
this.

497
00:31:03,600 –> 00:31:06,840
It’s moving the direction of
what God desires for family.

498
00:31:07,840 –> 00:31:11,680
And as you mentioned earlier,
love is a key component to it

499
00:31:11,720 –> 00:31:15,080
because we’re talking about
different contexts, different

500
00:31:15,080 –> 00:31:19,160
experiences, different
challenges that any given kid

501
00:31:19,160 –> 00:31:21,200
could face.
But you said at the start, the

502
00:31:21,200 –> 00:31:26,000
core thread is the need for
love, that every person is

503
00:31:26,160 –> 00:31:30,320
deserving of love, worthy of
love, and if they don’t receive

504
00:31:30,320 –> 00:31:34,320
it, it has a negative impact.
And so when you are stepping

505
00:31:34,320 –> 00:31:38,160
into this space, one of the
things that you acknowledged is

506
00:31:38,160 –> 00:31:40,600
you’re trying to love well, but
you’re still learning how to do

507
00:31:40,600 –> 00:31:43,920
it.
So what does love practically

508
00:31:43,920 –> 00:31:47,160
look like as you are interacting
with these young men?

509
00:31:48,080 –> 00:31:51,600
Where have you found that love
particularly challenging to live

510
00:31:51,600 –> 00:31:53,760
out?
And when that’s the case, how

511
00:31:53,760 –> 00:31:56,400
are you able to love even if you
don’t personally have the

512
00:31:56,400 –> 00:32:00,520
capacity?
Yeah, I have two sons, you know,

513
00:32:00,520 –> 00:32:04,080
they’re 25 and 23.
I tell my all the time there is

514
00:32:04,080 –> 00:32:08,000
something called tough love.
So I tell my wife that all the

515
00:32:08,000 –> 00:32:10,840
time.
So, you know, yeah, love is

516
00:32:10,840 –> 00:32:12,120
giving.
Love is patient.

517
00:32:12,120 –> 00:32:16,720
Love is kind.
But ultimately trying to be

518
00:32:16,960 –> 00:32:21,480
giving, but also trying to hold
them to a certain standard and

519
00:32:21,480 –> 00:32:24,640
hold them accountable to me,
that’s just as much love as

520
00:32:24,640 –> 00:32:27,680
anything because God holds us
accountable.

521
00:32:28,240 –> 00:32:32,880
If we were not held accountable,
we’d probably go haywire, all of

522
00:32:32,880 –> 00:32:35,720
us.
But God holds us accountable.

523
00:32:36,600 –> 00:32:41,440
And so holding these young men
accountable to me is so much of

524
00:32:41,440 –> 00:32:47,120
the love aspect as anything
because they’ve lived in a world

525
00:32:47,520 –> 00:32:50,160
where the one man who was
supposed to discipline them,

526
00:32:50,400 –> 00:32:54,120
give them direction, give them
identity, and hold them

527
00:32:54,120 –> 00:32:58,360
accountable was not there.
So they they don’t have that.

528
00:32:58,880 –> 00:33:03,000
So children know that if you
hold them accountable, they know

529
00:33:03,000 –> 00:33:06,440
that means you love them.
They may never say it and they

530
00:33:06,440 –> 00:33:12,680
may not like it, but you know,
as mentors, it’s our job to hold

531
00:33:12,680 –> 00:33:16,040
the people in our circle of
influence accountable.

532
00:33:16,960 –> 00:33:20,160
And this is part of love that’s
just can never be neglected.

533
00:33:20,560 –> 00:33:24,280
Because I see so many young men
with their pants sagging, not

534
00:33:24,280 –> 00:33:26,160
wearing a belt, showing their
underwear.

535
00:33:26,640 –> 00:33:29,880
Like, man, you, who are you
trying to impress here?

536
00:33:31,040 –> 00:33:34,280
Nobody wants to see your skid
marks pull your pants up.

537
00:33:34,920 –> 00:33:38,160
I’ve had to say that on the
church van and at church so many

538
00:33:38,160 –> 00:33:40,560
times to a lot of these young
boys.

539
00:33:41,040 –> 00:33:43,360
I bought belts.
I think I told my wife I was

540
00:33:43,360 –> 00:33:46,400
going to buy belts and just put
them inside the bathroom at

541
00:33:46,400 –> 00:33:49,120
church.
So all the boys will have a free

542
00:33:49,120 –> 00:33:53,440
belt, free belt giveaway because
they come with their pants

543
00:33:53,440 –> 00:33:56,040
sagging.
But nobody has ever told them,

544
00:33:56,240 –> 00:34:00,080
hey man, pull your pants up.
Look like a young man.

545
00:34:00,560 –> 00:34:03,680
You know, comb your hair, clean
your fingernails.

546
00:34:04,120 –> 00:34:06,760
You know, I’ll tell you a story
about fingernails.

547
00:34:07,160 –> 00:34:09,800
I live with my sister.
The first two years of college,

548
00:34:10,000 –> 00:34:11,600
You know, she knew I wanted to
be a doctor.

549
00:34:11,600 –> 00:34:13,080
I used to tell everybody I want
to be a doctor.

550
00:34:13,080 –> 00:34:16,239
I’m going to medical school.
And she saw my fingernails one

551
00:34:16,239 –> 00:34:19,239
day.
And she said, you know, nobody

552
00:34:19,239 –> 00:34:25,320
wants to come see a doctor with
dirty fingernails from that day

553
00:34:25,320 –> 00:34:28,600
forward.
Paul, I clean my fingernails

554
00:34:28,840 –> 00:34:32,760
from that day forward.
I’d never walk around with dirty

555
00:34:32,760 –> 00:34:35,560
fingers because of how she said
it.

556
00:34:35,920 –> 00:34:40,120
And she said it to me in a way
that would get my attention.

557
00:34:41,080 –> 00:34:44,239
You see what I’m saying?
So she held me accountable, but

558
00:34:44,239 –> 00:34:47,480
now I hold myself accountable.
And that’s what we’ve trying to

559
00:34:47,480 –> 00:34:51,800
get these kids to see, that if
you want to be a man one day

560
00:34:51,960 –> 00:34:54,280
we’re going to hold you
accountable to the standard of

561
00:34:54,280 –> 00:34:57,080
manhood.
Not any other stand, not the

562
00:34:57,080 –> 00:35:00,800
American black guy athletes
standard because all those guys

563
00:35:00,800 –> 00:35:03,080
got earrings and got 5 or 6 baby
Mamas.

564
00:35:03,440 –> 00:35:07,120
That’s not a man, that’s a
gigolo, that’s a Playboy.

565
00:35:07,120 –> 00:35:10,360
That’s not a man.
We’re holding into a manhood

566
00:35:10,360 –> 00:35:12,680
standard.
A lot of people don’t want to

567
00:35:12,680 –> 00:35:15,840
take the journey to manhood, but
that’s the standard we’re going

568
00:35:15,840 –> 00:35:18,440
to hold you to.
A lot of young men know if

569
00:35:18,440 –> 00:35:22,440
you’re teaching them what’s
right and that’s all that

570
00:35:22,440 –> 00:35:25,360
matters.
Our job is to teach what’s right

571
00:35:25,960 –> 00:35:30,360
because that has been lost in
translation over the last

572
00:35:30,600 –> 00:35:34,240
generation.
This generation that’s coming

573
00:35:34,240 –> 00:35:36,200
behind me.
I’m in my 50s.

574
00:35:36,760 –> 00:35:38,880
A lot of these things have been
lost.

575
00:35:40,520 –> 00:35:45,440
The things that my dad gave me,
just watching him for 18 years,

576
00:35:45,920 –> 00:35:49,680
the things that I learned, you
know, those things have been

577
00:35:49,680 –> 00:35:53,200
lost.
And so we have to show this next

578
00:35:53,200 –> 00:35:55,360
generation that, yes, we love
you.

579
00:35:55,360 –> 00:35:57,080
We’re going to hold you
accountable.

580
00:35:57,600 –> 00:35:59,440
We’re going to hold you
accountable, and we’re going to

581
00:35:59,440 –> 00:36:00,920
love you.
But they go together.

582
00:36:01,640 –> 00:36:04,520
You can’t have one without the
other because we don’t want to

583
00:36:04,520 –> 00:36:07,760
see you not reach your potential
in life.

584
00:36:08,840 –> 00:36:11,440
And so that’s what love is about
with this young men that we’re

585
00:36:11,440 –> 00:36:13,080
dealing with.
Yeah.

586
00:36:13,480 –> 00:36:18,960
And so you’re striving to love.
It’s very important, but it’s

587
00:36:18,960 –> 00:36:22,280
also a hard context, not always
received well.

588
00:36:22,760 –> 00:36:27,120
And as you noted before, it
could be hard for us to love.

589
00:36:27,120 –> 00:36:31,680
So in the moments where God is
inviting you to show love to a

590
00:36:31,680 –> 00:36:35,560
group of young men, and you know
that your love is insufficient,

591
00:36:35,560 –> 00:36:37,720
how have you seen His love work
through you?

592
00:36:38,400 –> 00:36:41,520
Just trying my best to be
compassionate.

593
00:36:41,960 –> 00:36:45,480
When Jesus Christ saw the month
to, Rob says he had compassion

594
00:36:45,480 –> 00:36:47,920
on them.
That’s something that I pray

595
00:36:47,920 –> 00:36:53,520
for, I pine for, and I wish for
that God will let me have the

596
00:36:53,520 –> 00:36:58,240
full measure to see what he sees
in a young man.

597
00:36:58,240 –> 00:37:00,600
Yeah.
And to be able to just meet that

598
00:37:00,600 –> 00:37:04,240
need.
You know, it’s not always just

599
00:37:04,720 –> 00:37:07,480
talking about Jesus.
It may be just taking him to

600
00:37:07,480 –> 00:37:13,240
lunch, giving him a meal or
bring him to my house and let

601
00:37:13,240 –> 00:37:14,880
them see a different way of
life.

602
00:37:14,880 –> 00:37:17,560
Yeah.
Several kids have come to my

603
00:37:17,560 –> 00:37:21,480
house and they say whose house
is this?

604
00:37:23,120 –> 00:37:26,080
You know, whose house is this?
I said, who the house you

605
00:37:26,080 –> 00:37:27,960
thinking here, no, it is not
your house.

606
00:37:28,600 –> 00:37:30,520
I said well it it could be my
house.

607
00:37:31,920 –> 00:37:35,840
So just showing them a different
way of life than what they have

608
00:37:35,840 –> 00:37:43,840
seen and try my best to allow
God to use me to help them see

609
00:37:43,840 –> 00:37:48,480
what they can’t see, hear what
they can’t hear, and let their

610
00:37:48,480 –> 00:37:50,760
feet go places that they can’t
go.

611
00:37:51,720 –> 00:37:55,320
And that’s what God wants, for
every one of us to use us in a

612
00:37:55,320 –> 00:37:59,840
wake to prove that that child,
that kid, God is really real.

613
00:38:00,880 –> 00:38:03,800
God is really real.
I don’t hear people talk about

614
00:38:03,800 –> 00:38:06,520
him.
I hear people, but I know God is

615
00:38:06,520 –> 00:38:12,200
real because God uses that
person to help me individually,

616
00:38:12,640 –> 00:38:19,200
personally, you know, seeking
God, asking God to show me what

617
00:38:19,200 –> 00:38:21,200
I can’t see that’s going on in
the child.

618
00:38:21,760 –> 00:38:25,080
For instance, there was a child,
a young man who was, he was

619
00:38:25,080 –> 00:38:27,160
crying one day and I said, man,
what’s going on?

620
00:38:27,240 –> 00:38:30,000
His parents are kind of
disconnected, estranged.

621
00:38:30,280 –> 00:38:33,360
And he said, I, I need somebody
to help me.

622
00:38:33,680 –> 00:38:37,120
He said I’m lost verbatim.
He said I’m lost.

623
00:38:37,360 –> 00:38:38,440
I said, well, man, I’ll help
you.

624
00:38:38,440 –> 00:38:42,000
I’ll be glad to help you.
And so, you know, I started to

625
00:38:42,000 –> 00:38:45,040
mentor him, started to let him
come work with us and we pay him

626
00:38:45,040 –> 00:38:47,000
and just try to get him on his
feet.

627
00:38:47,000 –> 00:38:50,680
Let him know he has value.
You know, that’s probably the

628
00:38:50,680 –> 00:38:54,080
biggest thing that God can
impart to other people through

629
00:38:54,080 –> 00:38:56,640
US is just let, let him know
they have value.

630
00:38:57,160 –> 00:39:00,520
You’re valuable.
You’re somebody, you have

631
00:39:00,520 –> 00:39:05,560
purpose, you have potential, and
sometimes that little small

632
00:39:05,560 –> 00:39:09,680
word, you have value.
You’re somebody can make all the

633
00:39:09,680 –> 00:39:11,080
difference.
Yeah.

634
00:39:11,720 –> 00:39:16,560
You captured 2 important things
in simplicity and the spirit.

635
00:39:16,640 –> 00:39:20,000
Yes Sir, I say simplicity.
You were talking about just very

636
00:39:20,000 –> 00:39:22,840
simple ways.
Just eat with them, just take

637
00:39:22,840 –> 00:39:25,360
them to your house.
Just dot dot dot right?

638
00:39:25,360 –> 00:39:28,960
Like simple accessible things.
And it makes me think about when

639
00:39:29,240 –> 00:39:35,320
Jesus was speaking to thousands
of people and the disciples had

640
00:39:35,320 –> 00:39:38,160
conditions on their willingness
to love, when they realized, oh,

641
00:39:38,160 –> 00:39:40,040
it’s getting late, people are
going to get hungry.

642
00:39:40,400 –> 00:39:43,400
We don’t want to use our own
money and we don’t want to use

643
00:39:43,400 –> 00:39:45,920
our own energy to do all this
work.

644
00:39:46,040 –> 00:39:49,400
They said Jesus, send them away.
And Jesus said, now you feed

645
00:39:49,400 –> 00:39:51,040
them.
And when they said they had

646
00:39:51,040 –> 00:39:52,280
nothing, he’s like, well, what
do you got?

647
00:39:52,760 –> 00:39:55,240
And all they had was 5 loaves
and two fish.

648
00:39:55,440 –> 00:39:58,080
That was sufficient, right?
So the simplicity of it,

649
00:39:58,080 –> 00:40:01,320
sometimes we feel like we don’t
have much to offer.

650
00:40:01,320 –> 00:40:04,280
I don’t have any experience with
the inner city, or I’ve never

651
00:40:04,280 –> 00:40:07,800
experienced fatherlessness or I
don’t have the training or dot

652
00:40:07,800 –> 00:40:10,600
dot, dot like we make our
excuses and sometimes God’s

653
00:40:10,600 –> 00:40:13,080
like, well, what do you ask?
What can you bring to the table?

654
00:40:13,080 –> 00:40:15,720
And so.
I think that simplicity is so

655
00:40:15,720 –> 00:40:18,240
powerful, and God can work
through that in beautiful ways.

656
00:40:18,960 –> 00:40:21,800
But then you hinted at this
element of the Spirit when you

657
00:40:21,800 –> 00:40:25,640
talked about Jesus having
compassion on the multitudes.

658
00:40:26,000 –> 00:40:28,720
And what some people don’t know
about that moment is that was

659
00:40:28,720 –> 00:40:32,480
more than just Jesus being nice
because people will think, oh,

660
00:40:32,960 –> 00:40:35,240
yeah, Jesus was compassionate.
Of course, Jesus was always

661
00:40:35,240 –> 00:40:38,160
compassionate.
But what had happened right

662
00:40:38,160 –> 00:40:42,640
before that is his cousin who he
loved deeply, John the Baptist,

663
00:40:43,040 –> 00:40:46,200
had just been decapitated and
Jesus had just found out, and

664
00:40:46,200 –> 00:40:51,680
his heart was crushed and all he
wanted to do was to get away to

665
00:40:51,720 –> 00:40:53,960
a quiet place of solitude.
And.

666
00:40:53,960 –> 00:40:57,200
Mourn.
And instead of being allowed to

667
00:40:57,200 –> 00:41:01,480
mourn, people followed him,
chased him down, and just said

668
00:41:01,480 –> 00:41:03,000
Jesus.
Jesus, Jesus, He’ll.

669
00:41:03,000 –> 00:41:06,440
Be like any one of us in that
situation would lose our cool.

670
00:41:06,480 –> 00:41:10,960
At the very least, Jesus’s
response was compassion.

671
00:41:10,960 –> 00:41:15,280
But the way that it’s worded, to
me seems to imply it wasn’t,

672
00:41:15,280 –> 00:41:18,120
that Jesus just mustered the
ability.

673
00:41:18,400 –> 00:41:21,280
It was almost like this
compassion filled him, right?

674
00:41:21,280 –> 00:41:23,120
That’s right.
You know, in the midst of his

675
00:41:23,120 –> 00:41:28,360
human mourning and sadness, the
compassion filled him.

676
00:41:28,400 –> 00:41:31,720
And the way Jesus talks about it
later, when his disciples are

677
00:41:31,720 –> 00:41:34,320
like, we can’t do this without
you, He’s like, I’m going to

678
00:41:34,320 –> 00:41:38,200
send a helper and an advocate.
And so this is a gift to us when

679
00:41:38,200 –> 00:41:41,720
we’re talking about love and
when we get to points where we

680
00:41:41,720 –> 00:41:45,640
realize how insufficient our
love is, how limited our ability

681
00:41:45,640 –> 00:41:49,600
to love is, how many conditions
we put on our love, it can seem

682
00:41:49,600 –> 00:41:52,560
hopeless and daunting.
But when we remember that Jesus

683
00:41:52,560 –> 00:41:56,760
sent a a helper and an advocate,
then we can go into the spaces

684
00:41:56,760 –> 00:41:59,480
where God saying, I want you to
love this person and honestly

685
00:41:59,480 –> 00:42:02,720
say, I don’t know how.
I don’t think I have the

686
00:42:02,760 –> 00:42:04,160
strength and I don’t even want
to.

687
00:42:04,160 –> 00:42:07,080
But because you invited me to,
I’m going to go ahead and be a

688
00:42:07,080 –> 00:42:10,120
conduit of your love and let God
love through US.

689
00:42:11,000 –> 00:42:15,480
Let’s say somebody’s listening
and they’re finding something

690
00:42:15,480 –> 00:42:19,720
stirring within them around
fatherlessness, around youth in

691
00:42:19,720 –> 00:42:23,280
the inner city.
What would be your encouragement

692
00:42:23,400 –> 00:42:27,680
for that person as a first step,
particularly if it’s not the

693
00:42:27,680 –> 00:42:32,400
environment that they’re from?
Yeah, fatherlessness impacts

694
00:42:32,480 –> 00:42:38,720
every aspect of society, so if
you don’t think that it’s going

695
00:42:38,720 –> 00:42:41,720
to come to your doorstep, I
believe you’re mistaken.

696
00:42:42,480 –> 00:42:47,200
You know, I don’t want to sound
crass, but sometimes some of

697
00:42:47,200 –> 00:42:50,400
these things have to cross the
track and spill over into other

698
00:42:50,400 –> 00:42:53,440
communities before they are
actually recognized.

699
00:42:53,440 –> 00:42:56,840
You know, this is a community
wide issue.

700
00:42:57,440 –> 00:43:00,400
This is not just in a little
sector of society that I don’t

701
00:43:00,400 –> 00:43:04,360
have to deal with because I’m
more fortunate and and I don’t

702
00:43:04,360 –> 00:43:07,720
live over there, but I actually
it affects the community at

703
00:43:07,720 –> 00:43:11,040
large.
You just turn the news on you,

704
00:43:11,040 –> 00:43:15,080
You know, you you talk about any
area of our society, healthcare,

705
00:43:15,080 –> 00:43:18,040
which is what I’m in.
You talk about healthcare, it

706
00:43:18,040 –> 00:43:21,560
affects healthcare.
You talk about the school

707
00:43:21,560 –> 00:43:24,480
system.
A lot of our teachers, you know,

708
00:43:24,480 –> 00:43:27,720
our teachers can’t teach because
of discipline issues.

709
00:43:28,200 –> 00:43:31,400
You talk about athletics.
You know, a lot of our coaches

710
00:43:31,400 –> 00:43:35,640
have had to become de facto
fathers because these boys don’t

711
00:43:35,640 –> 00:43:40,160
have fathers, You know, So you
talk about any aspect of our

712
00:43:40,160 –> 00:43:43,480
world.
And this issue is pervasive

713
00:43:43,480 –> 00:43:47,440
because it’s worsening.
So there are more and more

714
00:43:47,560 –> 00:43:50,800
people who didn’t have that
father figure there.

715
00:43:51,280 –> 00:43:55,120
So there’s daddy issues,
relationships, you know, a young

716
00:43:55,120 –> 00:43:58,320
girl who didn’t have her father,
she has daddy issues.

717
00:43:58,560 –> 00:44:03,080
She want a male loving figure, a
father figure, or she craves

718
00:44:03,080 –> 00:44:07,760
male companionship.
So I would like people to just

719
00:44:07,760 –> 00:44:12,920
see that we can no longer look
the other way when it comes to

720
00:44:12,920 –> 00:44:17,880
this issue because this is the
issue you talk about.

721
00:44:17,880 –> 00:44:20,040
The government, I’ll give you
example.

722
00:44:20,040 –> 00:44:21,640
They wanted to defund the
police.

723
00:44:22,160 –> 00:44:26,000
Well, if fathers were in the
home, we wouldn’t need so many

724
00:44:26,000 –> 00:44:30,960
policemen in the 1st place.
But if we can get fathers back

725
00:44:30,960 –> 00:44:35,760
in the home, families could
police themselves because I was

726
00:44:35,760 –> 00:44:38,520
more afraid of my dad than
anybody else.

727
00:44:40,240 –> 00:44:42,960
Go get the police.
Just don’t call my daddy.

728
00:44:42,960 –> 00:44:45,400
Whatever you do, please don’t
call him.

729
00:44:46,360 –> 00:44:51,800
So there’s a certain element of
all aspects of our society where

730
00:44:51,800 –> 00:44:56,280
this issue is making an impact
in a negative way.

731
00:44:56,760 –> 00:44:58,880
I think it’s going to get worse
before it gets better.

732
00:44:59,800 –> 00:45:03,240
And the big issue is that, you
know, people have to kind of get

733
00:45:03,240 –> 00:45:06,800
off the political bandwagon, get
off the the government

734
00:45:06,800 –> 00:45:10,640
bandwagon, get off all those
bandwagons and realize that

735
00:45:10,640 –> 00:45:13,720
we’re talking about family.
We’re talking about something

736
00:45:13,920 –> 00:45:19,400
that supersedes politics,
government, and all these other

737
00:45:19,560 –> 00:45:21,920
philosophies that people can
have.

738
00:45:22,280 –> 00:45:25,040
We’re talking about something
that’s so much more important

739
00:45:25,040 –> 00:45:27,360
than that.
We’re talking about the

740
00:45:27,680 –> 00:45:34,480
longevity of society as a whole.
Family is the basic element of

741
00:45:34,480 –> 00:45:38,600
every society.
So when family starts to

742
00:45:39,520 –> 00:45:44,680
disintegrate and start to be a
more decay because of no

743
00:45:44,680 –> 00:45:49,000
familyhood, you start to see
some major problems in society.

744
00:45:50,080 –> 00:45:55,120
And so I, I wish everybody,
Democrats, Republicans,

745
00:45:55,360 –> 00:45:59,920
independents and everything in
between, I wish everybody could

746
00:45:59,920 –> 00:46:05,040
just see the gravity of what
this is doing to our society.

747
00:46:05,880 –> 00:46:07,760
Yeah.
Well, on top of serving

748
00:46:07,760 –> 00:46:12,760
alongside young men, on top of
being a doctor, you’re also an

749
00:46:12,760 –> 00:46:15,760
author.
So tell me about your book and

750
00:46:16,120 –> 00:46:17,640
the other things that you’re
working on.

751
00:46:17,880 –> 00:46:22,600
It’s called Grown Boys.
The subtitle is 7 Baby Steps to

752
00:46:22,600 –> 00:46:24,960
Manhood for a Fatherless
Generation.

753
00:46:25,640 –> 00:46:29,280
You know, when I was initially
writing the book, I was thinking

754
00:46:29,280 –> 00:46:33,600
some objective things that would
help a young man who never had

755
00:46:33,600 –> 00:46:35,520
his dad.
There are several young men who

756
00:46:35,520 –> 00:46:39,080
go to our church and young
women, we’ve never seen their

757
00:46:39,080 –> 00:46:41,720
father except on Facebook, on
social media.

758
00:46:42,360 –> 00:46:47,000
So I was thinking in my mind,
what do they need that would

759
00:46:47,000 –> 00:46:52,200
help them become a man?
And so these seven baby steps we

760
00:46:52,200 –> 00:46:58,880
talk about in the book #1 is
love God #2 is love yourself #3

761
00:46:58,960 –> 00:47:04,040
upgrade your appearance #4 learn
to earn, got to get channel some

762
00:47:04,040 –> 00:47:07,280
money #5 is learn money
management.

763
00:47:07,280 –> 00:47:08,720
Once you get the money, you got
to manage it.

764
00:47:09,160 –> 00:47:16,600
Number six is mature emotionally
#7 is serve someone, become a

765
00:47:16,600 –> 00:47:19,960
servant.
So I feel like if any young

766
00:47:19,960 –> 00:47:25,280
male, all males are not men, any
young male would subscribe to

767
00:47:25,280 –> 00:47:30,200
these seven baby steps, they can
become a full-fledged man and

768
00:47:30,200 –> 00:47:33,920
have the confidence.
That’s the big thing that

769
00:47:34,280 –> 00:47:38,440
affects so many fatherless young
men is they don’t have the

770
00:47:38,440 –> 00:47:42,000
confidence in manhood to stand
alone.

771
00:47:42,280 –> 00:47:45,280
When everybody else is saying
this and saying that and going

772
00:47:45,280 –> 00:47:49,040
here and going there.
Confidence is the biggest factor

773
00:47:49,400 –> 00:47:53,160
that comes from the father.
Fathers give their kids

774
00:47:53,160 –> 00:47:56,640
self-confidence, identity and
direction.

775
00:47:57,560 –> 00:48:02,840
So this book talks about how we
can teach young males who didn’t

776
00:48:02,840 –> 00:48:07,160
have their father to have that
confidence, to have those steps,

777
00:48:07,160 –> 00:48:11,160
that becoming a man and to know
what it really means to be a man

778
00:48:11,960 –> 00:48:16,480
’cause if the enemy can keep the
definition somewhat, keep it

779
00:48:16,480 –> 00:48:19,120
like a moving target of what a
man is.

780
00:48:19,640 –> 00:48:23,320
And trust me, the devil is the
author of confusion and the

781
00:48:23,320 –> 00:48:25,960
father of lies according to the
Bible.

782
00:48:26,640 –> 00:48:32,760
So if he can always keep manhood
target moving, then we’ll never

783
00:48:32,760 –> 00:48:36,760
know.
This book is a not a moving

784
00:48:36,760 –> 00:48:41,440
target.
It’s a target that any male can

785
00:48:41,440 –> 00:48:45,840
hit if he makes the decision to
be a man.

786
00:48:46,920 –> 00:48:49,080
So you got to make a decision to
be a man.

787
00:48:49,160 –> 00:48:50,720
That’s what I talk about in the
whole book.

788
00:48:51,080 –> 00:48:56,880
It’s a decision.
It’s not a normal evolutionary

789
00:48:56,880 –> 00:49:00,000
process that you going to go
from male because you got a

790
00:49:00,000 –> 00:49:02,600
penis and testes you
automatically going to be a man.

791
00:49:03,040 –> 00:49:06,080
It’s not that way.
You got to decide to be a man,

792
00:49:06,800 –> 00:49:11,320
and that’s why I named the book
Grown Boys, because a lot of

793
00:49:11,320 –> 00:49:17,640
grown boys, 30 years old, but
they act 12 and we got to do

794
00:49:17,640 –> 00:49:21,200
something about that.
We cannot afford to continue to

795
00:49:21,200 –> 00:49:24,920
go the way we’re going and
nobody’s doing anything about a

796
00:49:24,920 –> 00:49:29,080
30 year old wearing earrings in
his ears, showing his underwear,

797
00:49:29,080 –> 00:49:31,560
sagging pants with three baby
Mamas.

798
00:49:32,040 –> 00:49:34,800
That’s a grown boy.
That is the definition of a

799
00:49:34,800 –> 00:49:39,200
grown boy.
And so we have to address this

800
00:49:39,400 –> 00:49:43,760
elephant in the middle of the
room, and that’s what we’re

801
00:49:43,760 –> 00:49:47,920
doing in the book.
We also created another question

802
00:49:47,920 –> 00:49:50,680
you had, Paul, what we’re doing.
We also created Mighty Men

803
00:49:50,680 –> 00:49:54,400
Academy.
It’s a kind of a local men’s

804
00:49:54,400 –> 00:49:58,880
group where we meet with young
men, we pair mentors with young

805
00:49:58,880 –> 00:50:02,680
men, and we let them be kind of
like an ongoing mentorship.

806
00:50:03,320 –> 00:50:08,520
But we also do formal Academy at
the church where we have a set

807
00:50:08,520 –> 00:50:11,840
of workshops.
We have a a mechanic’s workshop,

808
00:50:12,000 –> 00:50:15,480
an electrical workshop, a
welding workshop, and several

809
00:50:15,480 –> 00:50:18,160
other workshops where the boys
can migrate through each

810
00:50:18,160 –> 00:50:22,360
workshop and just learn things
that your dad and my dad

811
00:50:22,360 –> 00:50:25,560
probably taught us when we were
10 and 12, how to change a flat

812
00:50:25,560 –> 00:50:29,280
tire, how to use a drill, how to
use a skill saw.

813
00:50:29,280 –> 00:50:33,240
Simple thing is that every young
male, every man needs to know at

814
00:50:33,240 –> 00:50:35,840
some point.
So we do a lot of that.

815
00:50:36,520 –> 00:50:39,800
We take them to the local
college and let them meet with

816
00:50:39,800 –> 00:50:44,040
the vocational directors to try
to get them in college, talk to

817
00:50:44,040 –> 00:50:49,320
them about a CTSATS and just
trying to, you know, be

818
00:50:49,360 –> 00:50:53,120
well-rounded with our approach
with these young men because

819
00:50:53,120 –> 00:50:55,000
they’re coming from behind the 8
ball.

820
00:50:55,680 –> 00:50:58,880
You know, they’re coming from a
place of lack, a place of

821
00:50:58,880 –> 00:51:03,280
poverty, a place of mis
education, misinformation.

822
00:51:03,800 –> 00:51:07,480
So we got to try to, you know,
correct all that to give them to

823
00:51:07,480 –> 00:51:10,440
where they really should be and
then we can kind of really start

824
00:51:10,440 –> 00:51:14,080
to move the needle forward.
So it’s a kind of a dual type,

825
00:51:14,560 –> 00:51:19,640
triple, quadruple type approach,
if you would say, yeah.

826
00:51:20,920 –> 00:51:23,080
And if somebody wanted to get
the book or connect with the

827
00:51:23,080 –> 00:51:25,720
programs, what’s the best way
for them to do that You.

828
00:51:25,720 –> 00:51:28,360
Can find it on on Amazon.
It’s called grown boys.

829
00:51:28,360 –> 00:51:31,600
You also can find it on the
website grownboys.com.

830
00:51:31,840 –> 00:51:36,160
We have our bio on grownboys.com
and we also have information

831
00:51:36,160 –> 00:51:39,560
about Mighty Men Academy on
grownboys.com.

832
00:51:39,880 –> 00:51:43,520
Interesting that we have a
manhood assessment that’s in the

833
00:51:43,520 –> 00:51:45,240
book, but it’s also on the
website.

834
00:51:45,720 –> 00:51:51,160
It’s a self-assessment for every
male to see if you’re a man or

835
00:51:51,160 –> 00:51:54,200
not.
And it’s biblical.

836
00:51:54,440 –> 00:51:56,320
It’s from Second Timothy chapter
3.

837
00:51:56,640 –> 00:52:01,000
And so it talks about some of
the things that really has LED

838
00:52:01,000 –> 00:52:05,000
us to where we are today, you
know, pridefulness, selfishness,

839
00:52:05,240 –> 00:52:08,800
lovers of sales more than lovers
of God, boastful.

840
00:52:08,960 –> 00:52:11,360
So it talks about a lot of
things that men have problems

841
00:52:11,360 –> 00:52:13,760
with.
Pride is one of them,

842
00:52:14,000 –> 00:52:18,880
lustfulness is one of them, and
it evaluates every male on that

843
00:52:18,880 –> 00:52:23,880
scale, on the scale of manhood.
So that’s something kind of neat

844
00:52:23,880 –> 00:52:25,960
that I put in the book.
I thought it would be helpful to

845
00:52:25,960 –> 00:52:28,680
try to help young men just just
learn how to be a man.

846
00:52:30,040 –> 00:52:32,320
And as we close out, yes Sir, is
there anything else you feel

847
00:52:32,320 –> 00:52:34,480
like God’s putting in your heart
that you want to share?

848
00:52:35,080 –> 00:52:39,880
Honestly, I want to encourage
any young male, if you didn’t

849
00:52:39,880 –> 00:52:43,240
have your father or if you felt
like he was not totally engaged

850
00:52:43,240 –> 00:52:47,160
and he was emotionally
uninvolved, God is giving you

851
00:52:47,160 –> 00:52:50,160
all the raw fundamentals to
become a man.

852
00:52:51,000 –> 00:52:55,000
And if you will dig deep enough
and if you will search and you

853
00:52:55,000 –> 00:52:58,800
will find somebody who can help
you, you can step into your

854
00:52:58,800 –> 00:53:02,160
place in life.
And that’s what God wants.

855
00:53:02,440 –> 00:53:05,640
God wants us to become the
person that He always envisions

856
00:53:05,640 –> 00:53:10,080
us to be.
And for every male, God wanted

857
00:53:10,080 –> 00:53:15,480
you to be a man.
You can never be a successful

858
00:53:15,600 –> 00:53:20,920
man if you don’t be a man first.
You get that.

859
00:53:21,520 –> 00:53:24,560
You can never be a man of God
until you be a man.

860
00:53:25,400 –> 00:53:29,880
And so I want to encourage every
young male out there that if you

861
00:53:29,960 –> 00:53:36,120
are a male, God has given you
everything you need to take that

862
00:53:36,120 –> 00:53:39,120
journey to manhood.
This book will help you.

863
00:53:39,840 –> 00:53:43,080
I wouldn’t say it’s in all be
all, but it will help you and

864
00:53:43,080 –> 00:53:45,680
get you on the right track to
making the steps to where you

865
00:53:45,680 –> 00:53:48,520
need to be.
Find a mentor, find a pastor,

866
00:53:48,520 –> 00:53:51,800
preacher, teacher.
Get your Bible study.

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Your Bible is loaded.
The Bible is just as practical

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as it is spiritual.
So it would give you a lot of

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practical information on what it
means to be a man.

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Days through the streets,
shouting praise to the world.

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You’ll heal.
You’re clean.

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Go out and tell the people what
you see.

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Revived in him, new life in Him.
Jesus says this in Matthew 7,

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beginning in verse 9.
Which of you, if your son asks

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for bread, will give him a
stone, or if he asked for a

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fish, we’ll give him a snake?
If you then, though you are

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evil, know how to give good
gifts to your children, how much

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more will your Father in heaven
give good gifts to those who ask

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Him?
So in everything, do to others

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what you would have them do to
you.

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For this sums up the Law and the
prophets.

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As Jesus looked at a crowd of
fathers, he knew that they

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inherently understood what it
meant to care for their

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children, whether it was their
compassion or their morality or

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simply their desire to not be a
bad father.

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He knew that they would be more
prone to give bread than a stone

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fish than a snake.
He recognized that they knew how

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to give good gifts to their
children, even though they were

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evil.
And then he reminds us of a

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reality that Scripture names
often that God is our Father.

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How much more will your Father
in heaven give good gifts to

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those who ask him?
Scripture not only says that God

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is love, but says that he is our
Father.

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And there’s something intriguing
about identifying God with this

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role.
And when we take these two roles

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together, love and father, our
understanding of who he is in

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our lives can deepen.
When love is absent from the

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life of a child, we can quickly
and easily see the

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ramifications.
And when authentic love is

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present, the fruit of that can
extend far beyond our

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imperfections.
Scripture calls us to love, not

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perfectly, because only God can
do that, but as a conduit of his

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love.
And this not based on our

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understanding or our capacity or
our drive, but as a willingness

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to live out the core of
Scripture.

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So in everything, do to others
what you would have them do to

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you.
For this sums up the law and the

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prophets.
When we choose to lean into

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spirit LED love, we become
conduits of God in those spaces

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and are given the opportunity to
see him move in ways beyond our

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understanding.
So consider today whom he might

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be calling you to love, and then
ask yourself, where did you see

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God?